I consider myself a pretty decent googler. It generally only takes me a good 15 minutes max to google even the most obscure topics. Well, this morning I bought myself a Hinnomaki Red gooseberry at the Sara Hardy Farmer's Market in Traverse City. I had a hunch it was an heirloom, but wasn't totally positive on its intro date. I knew it was at least pre-1930, but beyond that... well.. I figured I'd buy it and google it later.
So, yeah.
I just spent three hours googling the hinnomaki red gooseberry. Three Hours Of My Life. (Of course this is three hours of my life, as spent at the Cherry Capital Comicbook Convention, so... it's alright. I love me a good comic book convention, sure, but when faced with the option of googling some horticultural mystery, well... you can see where this is going.)
So! I found out through a basic search that Hinnomaki Red (and Yellow and Green) are hardy cultivars introduced from Finland. Beyond that, there is nothing in the American Google results. Nada... at least not in the first 15 pages or so. I found sites that called them heirlooms, sites that called them new introductions and sites that ignored the history of the variety altogether.
After the U.S. Google failed me I decided to get serious. I found the URL for the Finnish Google and started googling Hinnomaki, after which I discovered the repetitive use of "Hinnonmaki" and some other similar words. I then was struck with a stroke of genius and wandered over to a Finnish dictionary site and looked up the word for "Introduced" which turned out to be "esitellä". After that it was as simple as pie! I just plugged in the words "Hinnonmaki" and "esitellä" and up came a web site about the various Finnish varieties of Gooseberry!
And there, under 'Hinnonmäen Yellow' and 'Hinnonmäen Red' was this information:
This home-like, the ever-popular variety was bred in the early 1900s.
This is somewhat powdery mildew resistant variety was bred in the early 1900s Hinnonmäen test station.
Finally! Now I not only know when it was bred, but where! I feel like I have attained all new Google Mastery. I should get a badge or something!
So I'm putting this blog post up specifically for people out there who are looking for a breeding date on the Hinnonmaki or Hinnomaki Red gooseberry. Early 1900's. I'll keep looking for a specific date, but... there ya go, plant geeks!
Thank you! You have solved my quest of the day, and I truly appreciate all your effort!
ReplyDeleteEmily's gathered information 2013 is still highly relevant today. Many thanks to her.
DeleteThe yellow Hinnonmäki was released in 1938 according to the swiss genebank:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bdn.ch/media/files/pdf/22435_Hinnonm%C3%A4ki%20gelb.pdf
Unfortunately they dont have that information on the red one:
http://www.bdn.ch/media/files/pdf/22435_Hinnonm%C3%A4ki%20gelb.pdf
Im pretty sure both were developed at the Lepaa horticultural institute between 1910 and 1940. Hinnonmäki red may be identical to Lepaa red.
http://www.hamk.fi/english/about-hamk/locations-and-maps/lepaa-campus/Sivut/default.aspx
Hope this helped
Claus
Very helpful. Thank you.
DeleteLol I found this blog looking for more detailed info about my recently aquired plant. I'm glad to find I'm not the only one that spends hours of its life searching for even the smallest details of the plants I buy. Thank you!
ReplyDeleteI'm sure you had no idea that there would be someone searching hopelessly for information about the Hinnomaki red gooseberry in 2022. Thank you for your tenacious research. I just purchased one plant and if it thrives, will order another.
ReplyDeleteThere's a genectic mutation or sport of Hinnonmaki Red called Little Ben. It's virtually identical, but said to be a smaller sized bush. Probably marketing hype.
ReplyDeleteI much prefer Hinnonmaki Yellow to the Red. It's much more vigorous, cuttings root easily, evergreen up to Winter, prolific cropper of large fruit(I picked 500 fruits from mid July 2002 weighing in an average of 5g- some reaching 7.5g in size!) sawflies don't strip the leaves as badly as most other cultivars as it's so tough, very hardy, diseases and root rot have little effect and hardly ever sees aphid attacks. Excellent plant which is quite ornamental too with its willowy shape!
ReplyDeleteDave
Don't spend extra cash on Little Ben thinking it's a better plant than Hinnonmaki Red, because it's the same. Just another marketing ploy, same as the Hinnonmaki Yellow tastes of apricot nonsense-just a sweet goosegog taste and very flavoursome in reality. Or the reviews stating Captivator gooseberry produces large fruits/high yields-most are small 2 to3 grams and you'll be lucky if it produces over 1.5kg in 3 years unlike Hinnos which fruit heavily within 2 seasons. Makes me think of that chocolate peppermint nonsense tasting of guess what?- chocolate. It's just a rank form of Peppermint most likely hybridised with another mint. Trust your own judgement and what actual gardeners say not websites selling such and such. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteMike
Captivator gooseberry when established can grow a very large 6 foot high by same in width, if left unpruned. After 5 years you may see yields of up to 4kg. Fruits can be 3 to 5 grams in size and have a crunchy texture tasting of jam inside. In practice though as not everyone is an expert gardener, yields with this plant are usually are a modest 2kg a season with little care or pruning. Just give your gooseberry plants a sprinkle of bone meal or fish blood each season and they will reward you well.
ReplyDeleteP.Jones
This is a nice blog, glad I found it. Thanks to Emily for great information. Hinnonmaki Yellow must my favourite gooseberry of all. Usually the red gets sold most as it's great plant no doubt, but the yellow is just as good. It grows anywhere and cuttings root really easy anytime until late Autumn. Mildew hardly bothers it, just the odd leaf now and again. Sawfly attacks have little effect on the plant as its leaves are so tough and prolific like it's fruiting ability of 3kg, which is a huge crop for such a small plant. Also it fruits within 2 years after planting it(many 6 grams and bigger) or after taking a good cutting. It can grow to 4 feet x 4 feet, but it doesn't require much pruning as it continues to bear on older wood for many years.
ReplyDeleteRachel
Hinnonmaki Red is so popular that it is virtually found everywhere in market stores everywhere. I bought a little plant for a pound 20 years ago which fruited the year after and every year since, despite little pruning or fertilizing. No mildew whatsoever and minimal sawfly attacks. My yield record is 8 pounds. Fantastic producer!
ReplyDeleteJean
I bought on a whim a Hinnonmaki Red plant as a small rooted cutting from a pound shop 21 years ago and it is still going strong with very little pruning. Incredible plant!
ReplyDeleteJim
Wow what a load of positive comments about Hinnonmaki gooseberries. I'm definitely buying one this Spring! Thanks.
ReplyDeleteJust bought a red variety and have gone through pages to find info on this plant. Still helping people out in 2024! Hope all is well!
ReplyDeleteThis blog is great! FYI not all plants of Hinnonmaki Red are originally sourced. Trials in Czech Republic conducted by M and S Vaverka 1993-2002 found that it had a high susceptibility to mildew. Only Invicta and Hinnonmaki Yellow along with Pax had high resistance. Interestingly Whinnam's Industry had a moderate resistance rating! Other trials done in Kentucky U.S showed Hinno Red to be very resistant. I'm of the belief most plant original sources of this cultivar are now very mixed and unreliable.giving conflicting data in trials. Think of Lepaa Red Vs Hinnonmaki Red debate-same plant? After all nurseries tend to grow from them tissue culture in bulk. Not easy to keep things accurate over the years!
ReplyDeleteLittle Ben by the way is a mutated form of Hinno Red- a sport, which probably due to a harmless plant virus etc caused a smaller plant to occur. Usually they revert back to type and traits grow out in time. I bought my Hinno Red(sourced Finland) plant 25 years ago no mildew ever. My neighbour bought a cheap store boxed Hinno Red-mildew in the 1st year of planting and binned. I now gave him a cutting of my sourced plant!
P.s Invicta is now prone to mildew as mildew has mutated into many forms. Invicta is also prone to root rot and cane dieback. Hinno Yellow is an excellent plant by the way. Hinno Green is immensely popular in Europe, I've yet to grow that one.
ReplyDeleteRick
Yeah, Invicta is very overrated, too thorny and easily dies during a wet Winter. Hinno plants can last decades and are very hardy in any conditions.
ReplyDeleteHinnonmaki Yellow is the best overall for the home gardener as it is highly resistant to leaf spot/rust and mildew. Sawfly attacks don't bother it too much and it is highly adaptable to any soil or landscape. The fruit tends to be larger than Hinnonmaki Red and tastes much sweeter. It is quite vigorous and sets flowers freely usually within one year of planting. Great plant!
ReplyDeleteJack
I really like the jam flavor of Captivator and it's a nearly thornless plant. Whinnam's Industry has a nice sweet taste too. Hinnonmaki Yellow has a really divine taste in Gooseberry Fool deserts or just for fresh eating. Another nearly thornless one is Lady Sun which I grow has tasty pale white/yellow fruits. Losing its thorns as it matures.
ReplyDeleteJ.Simpson
Hinnonmaki Yellow is still very popular in Finland from where it originates. Most gardeners have it. Most reliable, disease resistant and sturdy grower. Much better than Hinno Red.
ReplyDeleteThis is an old blogspot and very interesting still. My observation of Hinnonmaki Red in Germany similar to UK conditions, is that it's certainly worthy to be called the best of all the gooseberry cultivars and so cheap and easy to acquire. Also the thorns on old canes reduce in time so you can leave a nice framework to shape your plant, only bothering to give it a sprinkle of potash in Spring and watch out for sawfly. Hassle free grower!
ReplyDeleteIt flowers freely sometimes after the first year of planting; it doesn't need much pruning to maintain plant vigor; it is virtually immune to mildew and other pathogens like rust or leaf spot; crops prolifically(usually over 2kilos per plant) and of a good size fruits 3-6grams; grows anywhere and roots easily from cuttings. Also its flowers are very tough to wind, hail etc and the plant perse is extremely hardy Zones 2 to 8. It can live well over 20 years-my plant is 25 years old.
Hinonmaki Yellow is very similar e.g has slightly seweter and bigger fruits, but needs regular pruning to maintain plant vigor and if the soil conditions are not quite suitable it will not thrive in putting new shoots out nor flower prolifically. Therefore it might not survive as long. The Hinnonmaki Red is the superior plant and ideal for containers-rarely growing bigger than a metre. It can sometimes sucker from underground shoots too when established which is an advantage to increase stock.
Two semi thornless cultivars are ideal replacements for Hinnonmakis: early July ripening Lady Sun, a yellow fruiting gooseberry and mid/late July ripening, Captivator a red fruiting gooseberry. Fruit size, yield and flavor is very good in both!
Best Regards
Franz
I've tried most gooseberry cultivars and ultimately come to the conclusion you will only ever need to grow one and that's Hinnonmaki Red. The Hinno Yellow though good, does need pruning and maintenance, otherwise it loses vigor and dies out as do many cultivars of Ribes. No such problems with Hinno Red, the best of all, as trials have shown.
ReplyDeleteHinnonmaki Green has become quite popular in the U.K and especially in Europe.
ReplyDeleteNearly all the flowers of my other gooseberry cultivars(even a large number of Hinno Yellow!) disappointingly again dropped off or rotted after a very wet Spring. Lack of pollinators? My reliable Hinno Red was not phased at all and flowered okay setting small fruits which are forming nicely, even after some horrendous torrential downpours. The best!
ReplyDeleteMark J
Most cultivated gooseberry plants die out within a decade of planting, some like Hinno Red can live 15-20 years, if you're lucky!
ReplyDeleteJ.S
The Hinnomaki Red gooseberry was developed by Pertti and Kari Karhunen in Finland in the 1970s. The breeders were aiming to create a gooseberry variety that not only produced sweet and flavorful berries but also exhibited excellent disease resistance. Through careful breeding and selection, they successfully introduced the Hinnomaki Red to the market, where it has gained popularity among gardeners and fruit enthusiasts for its exceptional qualities.
ReplyDeleteFor Your Information:'The above is info taken from CropNerd(A.I generated?) about Hinnonmaki Red which contradicts its being developed in the early 1900's! Site states in the 1970's development which I believe is quite nonsense!
ReplyDeleteI agree with last assessment. A lot of these modern gardening sites are A.I generated nonsense or foreign sites gathering info so you go there and then they can click bait you for ads or data mine you. Hinnonmaki was developed early 1900's at least pre 1930's!
ReplyDeleteSimon